LST’s New Information Source for Law Students and Attorneys

Law School Transparency (LST), the widely recognized advocacy organization improving the legal profession through public education about law schools, officially announced its new podcast, “I Am The Law,” a show about the role legal professionals play in the legal ecosystem.

“I Am The Law” features interviews with attorneys in various fields. Each episode details one practitioner’s day-to-day tasks as well the unique challenges associated with his or her specialization. The show interviews traditional lawyers, such as public defenders and corporate litigators, as well as non-traditional lawyers.

Through “I Am The Law,” LST offers a completely new information source for prospective law students, current law students, and practicing attorneys. Many enter the legal profession without an adequate understanding of the daily practice of law. “I Am The Law” serves to eliminate that information void. Rather than relying on Law & Order or The Good Wife to learn about the legal profession, the audience will learn from revealing interviews that go well beyond conventional generalities.

Listeners can find “I Am The Law” on iTunes, Stitcher, and many podcasting apps. Listeners can also find episodes on Four full-length episodes are available now, and a new episode will be released every Monday.

In concert with the LST Score Reports, a consumer’s guide to deciding whether and where to attend law school that serves tens of thousands of prospective law students every year, “I Am The Law” will help students to pursue careers based on facts rather than fictions.

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Law School Transparency’s mission is to make entry to the legal profession more transparent, affordable, and fair. For more information or an interview, contact Kyle McEntee.

New Board Member: Mike Spivey

We are pleased to announce a new member of LST’s Board of Directors, Mike Spivey. Mike is a partner at the Spivey Consulting Group, a firm that helps prospective students navigate law school admissions, helps law students find meaningful employment opportunities, and consults for law schools on admissions, career services, and marketing operations. Previously, he worked as an administrator at Vanderbilt Law, Washington University School of Law, and Colorado Law. Mike also taught Business Ethics at the University of Alabama and was a Blackburn Fellow for Leadership in Ethics for the State of Alabama.

Mike has been a long time supporter of LST’s mission, even before LST incorporated. While associate director of admissions at Vanderbilt, Mike and LST co-founder Patrick Lynch discussed rampant, false information about Vanderbilt’s job outcomes that had spread across a popular prospective student message board. In March 2008, Vanderbilt’s admissions office and career services office jointly provided prospective students a list of where all graduates from the class of 2007 worked. The list was the impetus for Patrick and LST’s other co-founder, Kyle McEntee, to ask why other law schools were not so open and honest.

Mike is known throughout legal education as a champion of informed decision-making and progress. Mike worked alongside Dean Kent Syverud at Vanderbilt and Washington University in St. Louis to add a personal touch to attracting students and to convincing employers that those students would add real value to the legal sector. He also worked closely with Dean Phil Weiser at Colorado Law School to support students across a variety of initiatives. Along the same lines, Mike has was featured in the Chronicle of Higher Education for going the extra mile in getting to know applicants through the admissions process. Today, he continues that approach through his consulting practice and, now, as key member of the LST team.

LST Revamps Law School Decision Tool

With law school application deadlines looming, a tough legal job market, and high education costs, prospective students need useful information to make smart choices about whether or where to attend law school.

Today, prospective law students receive essential help with making informed decisions with the launch of Law School Transparency‘s fully customizable Score Reports (

Attending law school is a life-changing decision that deserves fair and clear presentation of relevant information. The Score Reports organize admissions, employment, and cost data to show the big picture and the fine detail. The Score Reports help prospective law students find the schools that can meet their career goals and evaluate the projected time and financial commitment.

We have added the following features:

  • Financial Planning Worksheets. These help students plan their budgets and see how much debt will be owed when the first loan payment is due, as well as how much that payment will be.
  • Custom Scores and Reports. Students can choose what matters most to them. From large firm and public service placement to LSAT and GPA statistics, students can create reports and change them to see how schools stack up. To compare apples to apples, students can also create custom scores based on the types of jobs they value.
  • Compare up to 4 law schools at once on our head-to-head page.
  • Enhanced school reports that provide mountains of admissions, employment, and cost data. Elements include salary information, job trends, enrollment trends, and a projected debt table.
  • Scholarship negotiation help. Because almost all law schools use a high tuition, high discount model, students must negotiate scholarship amounts and scholarship terms (GPA/class rank requirements, escalation with tuition increases).

Note that the LST Score Reports are not rankings. Indeed, we believe national rankings and law schools do not make any sense. Law schools function in local markets; few schools have a national reach. 2 in 3 employed graduates work in the state where their school is located.

Law School Transparency is a Georgia nonprofit legal education policy and watchdog organization. Our mission is to make entry to the legal profession more transparent, affordable, and fair. We’re best known for advocating for increased employment data transparency. The LST Score Reports are the product of our advocacy successes.

Law School Graduates Continue to Face Brutal Entry-Level Market

LST has made Class of 2012 job outcome data (as of 9 months after graduation) available about the 200 ABA-approved law schools. School-specific profiles and regional comparisons can be viewed on the LST Score Reports, The Score Reports are a popular law school decision tool based on employment data. They are not rankings and aid students to make decisions on a local and regional basis, rather than on a meaningless national scale.

The Class of 2012 outcome data shed considerable light on how difficult the job market remains for law school graduates. These graduates fared 1% better than last year’s graduates in lawyer jobs: 56.2% of 2012 graduates were be employed in full-time, long-term lawyer jobs. Exclude jobs funded by the law schools from this figure and it is 55.1%. A devastating 27.7% were either underemployed (short-term or part-time job, or non-professional) or not employed (unemployed or pursuing an additional degree). The national non-response rate was 2.6%.

Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:

The national full-time, long-term legal rate is 56.2%.

  • These jobs
    • require bar passage or are judicial clerkships; and
    • require 35+ hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
  • At 66 law schools (33.0%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
    • 26 schools (13.0%) had less than 40%;
    • 11 schools (5.5%) had less than 33%.
  • 95 schools (47.5%) exceeded the national rate of 56.2%.
    • 50 schools (25.0%) had more than 66%;
    • 20 schools (10.0%) had more than 75%;
    • 6 schools (3.0%) had more than 90%.

Last month, the ABA agreed to further disaggregate school-funded jobs data. The new format sheds light on how many of the school-funded jobs were Bar Passaged Required, J.D. Advantage, Professional, and Non-Professional. Like last year, these categories are also broken down by whether they are full- or part-time and long- or short-term.

The national full-time, long-term legal rate, excluding school-funded jobs, is 55.1%.

  • The richest schools were able to hire their struggling graduates full time and long term; only 15 schools (7.5%) had 5% or more of their graduates in long-term, full-time, school-funded jobs that required bar passage.
    • Many of these schools were top performers on the full-time, long-term rate.
    • Excluding the school-funded jobs from this rate caused five of the six schools over 90% to drop below that threshold; two of those five dropped below 80%.

Underemployed or Not Employed:

  • The national rate is 27.7%.
  • A graduate counts as underemployed when he or she in a non-professional job or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
  • A graduate counts as not employed when he or she is unemployed or pursuing an additional advanced degree.
  • 187 schools (93.5%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
    • 153 schools (76.5%) had more than 20%;
    • 112 schools (56.0%) had more than 25%;
    • 58 schools (29.0%) had more than 33%;
    • 27 schools (13.5%) had more than 40%;
    • 8 schools (4.0%) had more than 50%.
  • 24 schools had more underemployed and non-employed graduates than graduates employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs.

Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):

  • 12.2% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions
    • Graduates seek these jobs partly because they tend to pay the highest salaries.
    • Note that not all of these jobs are associate positions. An unknown number are paralegals, administrators, and staff attorneys.
  • At only 51 schools (25.5%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
    • 27 schools (13.5%) had more than 20%;
    • 14 schools (7.0%) had more than 33%;
    • 8 schools (4.0%) had more than over 50%.

Despite 2012 graduates taking 2,000 more long-term, full-time legal jobs than 2011 graduates, the percentage improvement was just 1% because there were 5.4% more 2012 graduates than in 2011. The Class of 2012 does not represent the apex for new J.D.’s either; only after the class of 2013 will the number of graduates drop, though the total still looks to be in substantial disproportion to the number of jobs available in our quickly evolving profession.

The students entering this fall (who graduate in 2016) will likely fare better on the job market because fewer prospective students are deciding to take the LSAT, to apply to law school, and to attend now that post-graduation realities are transparent. But even if every law school graduate obtained a job, the sky-high cost of legal education means that expected salaries for law school graduates portend economic hardship. For many, it will be impossible to fulfill their student loan obligations without gambling on the continuation of federal hardship programs.

Law School Transparency’s executive director, Kyle McEntee, urged caution to students planning to enroll this fall. McEntee said, “Law school is too expensive relative to job outcomes. If you plan to debt-finance your education or use hard-earned savings, seriously think twice about attending a law school without a steep discount. For the vast majority of prospective law students who have not received a sizable scholarship, it makes sense to wait for prices to drop.”

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Established in 2009, Law School Transparency is a nonprofit legal education policy organization. Our mission is to improve consumer information and reform the traditional law school model. We operate independently of any legal institutions, legal employers, or academic reports related to the legal market.

LST executive director honored by the National Law Journal

Kyle McEntee, executive director and co-founder of Law School Transparency, was named one of the 100 Most Influential Lawyers in America by The National Law Journal. The lawyers here were chosen by the NLJ’s editors, aided by nominations from the legal community and research by the NLJ’s reporting staff. According to the NLJ, this list represents law’s “power elite.”

The publication made its selections based on nominees’ political clout, legal results, media presence, business leadership, and thought leadership. The National Law Journal cited Kyle’s leadership in the movement for greater law school transparency. It specifically noted the impact that he and LST’s co-founder Patrick Lynch had on the ABA revising its accreditation requirements. Because of their leadership, “prospective law students [have] a more realistic picture of their potential career paths and indebtedness.” LST is proud to have its executive director recognized for the meaningful impact he has had on our profession and our society.

Law School Transparency releases annual index of law school disclosure

The Transparency Index reflects Law School Transparency’s review of law school websites, through which we analyze the employment information that law schools use to market their programs. We measure not only whether law schools meet voluntary transparency standards, but also whether they meet the requirements from ABA Standard 509.

Our project has three important parts:

During the initial review period, we found that 78.4% (156/199) of ABA-approved law schools were not meeting the expectations set forth by Standard 509. We contacted ever school’s dean, admissions office, and career services office with an offer to help them meet our criteria. 102 law schools took us up on our offer, and to date 84 of these schools have updated the consumer information on their websites.

See also:

Class of 2012 NLJ 250 Statistics

The National Law Journal (NLJ) released its annual report this weekend on the law schools that send the most graduates to the 250 largest American law firms (NLJ 250). In this post we’ll answer a few basic questions about this important employment outcome measure. This is the first published Class of 2012 employment information.

What is the NLJ 250?

The NLJ 250 includes the 250 largest law firms headquartered in the United States. This is measured by the firm-reported annual average number of full-time and full-time equivalent attorneys working at the firm, in any office, in 2012. This does not include temporary or contract attorneys, though it does include non-partner track attorneys.

Where do the data come from?

Methodology via the NLJ:

Methodology: Data for this Go-To Law Schools special report were provided by the law firms surveyed for the NLJ 250, The National Law Journal’s annual survey of the nation’s 250 largest law firms by headcount. We received data from 190 firms. For firms that did not submit new associate numbers, we relied on data from ALM Media LLC’s RivalEdge database and independent reporting. We determined rankings by the percentage of 2012 juris doctor graduates who took associate jobs at NLJ 250 firms. The rankings do not reflect law graduates who took jobs as clerks following graduation. Our data do not include new associates at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison or King & Spalding.

What do these numbers tell us?

Large firm placement percentage is an important, albeit imperfect, proxy for the number of graduates with access to the most competitive and highest paying jobs. The percentage, accordingly, tell us which schools most successfully place students in these highly sought-after jobs. Successful large firm placement is best analyzed by looking at multiple years worth of data. (View the NLJ 250 from the class of 2010 here and from the class of 2011 here.)

What do these numbers not tell us?

First, self-selection controls all post-graduation outcomes. Nobody is coerced into a job they are offered (unless you consider debt pressure or other strong personal influences coercive), so these numbers do not provide more than a proxy for opportunities. Opportunities, after all, are prospective students’ real concern when analyzing employment information, and these rankings do not necessarily reflect a school’s ability to place students into NLJ 250 firms.

Many graduates, particularly at the top schools, choose to clerk after graduation instead of working for these law firms. While not all of these graduates would have secured employment at the NLJ 250 firms, some could have. For this reason, one popular technique used to understand a school’s placement ability is adding the percentage of graduates at NLJ 250 firms to the percentage of graduates clerking for Article III judges. This method is not perfect; read our white paper for a more detailed explanation of the strengths and weaknesses of this technique.

Second, NLJ 250 firm jobs are not the only competitive, high-paying firm jobs. Boutique law firms are also very competitive, with some paying New York City market rates and above. Additionally, the NLJ 250 does not include large, prestigious internationally-based law firms with American offices.

Third, not all NLJ 250 firm jobs are equally competitive. Law firms from different regions and of differing caliber have varying preferences for the students from different law schools, including how far into the class they are willing to reach. That is, two schools that place an equal percentage of graduates in NLJ 250 firms may do so for reasons other than similar preferences among equally competitive NLJ 250 firms.

Fourth, the rankings include data only about the law schools that placed at least 8.22% of its entire class in the NLJ 250 firms. All other American law schools placed a lower, unknown percentage at NLJ 250 firms. The remaining schools range from 0% to 8.22%, and probably do not fall into a normal distribution.

If you have more questions, please feel free to email or reply this post. We will update this as needed.

2012 placement into NLJ 250 firms by law school

Rank School NLJ 250
% of
1 University of Pennsylvania Law School 163 270 60.37%
2 University of Chicago Law School 119 216 55.09%
3 Columbia Law School 245 460 53.26%
4 New York University School of Law 253 478 52.93%
5 Northwestern University School of Law 144 280 51.43%
6 Harvard Law School 297 590 50.34%
7 Duke Law School 107 221 48.42%
8 Stanford Law School 86 182 47.25%
9 University of California, Berkeley School of Law 139 307 45.28%
10 Cornell Law School 85 192 44.27%
11 University of Virginia School of Law 151 357 42.30%
12 University of Michigan Law School 149 388 38.40%
13 Georgetown University Law Center 193 616 31.33%
14 Yale Law School 68 222 30.63%
15 University of California at Los Angeles School of Law 97 333 29.13%
16 University of Southern California Gould School of Law 63 220 28.64%
17 Vanderbilt University Law School 51 194 26.29%
18 University of Texas School of Law 96 372 25.81%
19 Fordham University School of Law 114 487 23.41%
20 University of California, Irvine School of Law 13 56 23.21%
21 George Washington University Law School 122 542 22.51%
22 Boston University School of Law 58 273 21.25%
23 Boston College Law School 54 256 21.09%
24 University of Illinois College of Law 40 213 18.78%
25 Washington University in St. Louis School of Law 49 300 16.33%
26 University of Notre Dame Law School 32 196 16.33%
27 Southern Methodist University Dedman School of Law 44 280 15.71%
28 Emory University School of Law 39 253 15.42%
29 University of Houston Law Center 35 262 13.36%
30 College of William and Mary Marshall-Wythe School of Law 27 206 13.11%
31 Howard University School of Law 19 148 12.84%
32 University of North Carolina School of Law 32 260 12.31%
33 University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law 17 141 12.06%
34 Washington and Lee University School of Law 15 129 11.63%
35 University of Washington School of Law 20 181 11.05%
36 University of Minnesota Law School 25 230 10.87%
37 Seton Hall University School of Law 32 310 10.32%
38 University of Kentucky College of Law 15 148 10.14%
39 Loyola Law School, Los Angeles 41 414 9.90%
40 University of California Hastings College of the Law 43 443 9.71%
41 Wake Forest University School of Law 15 155 9.68%
42 Villanova University School of Law 24 255 9.41%
43 University of Georgia School of Law 21 225 9.33%
44 Indiana University Maurer School of Law–Bloomington 19 208 9.13%
45 University of California, Davis School of Law 17 198 8.59%
46 Santa Clara University School of Law 26 306 8.50%
47 University of Wisconsin Law School 24 284 8.45%
48 Rutgers School of Law–Camden 23 274 8.39%
49 Loyola University Chicago School of Law 23 274 8.39%
50 University of Tennessee College of Law 12 146 8.22%

Complaint Filed With ABA Against Rutgers — Camden

On Monday, LST will file a complaint with the ABA Section on Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar against Rutgers — Camden over a recruiting email sent earlier this year. You can view the complaint here.

We allege that Rutgers School of Law – Camden violated Standard 509 and Interpretation 509-4. A law school administrator made misleading statements about the successes of the school’s graduates. The same administrator also made a false statement about graduate salary outcomes when she asserted that many top graduates accepted jobs at firms making in excess of $130,000, when in fact zero graduates reported earning more than $130,000.

Timeline of Events

May 18, 2012. Above the Law story on email from Dean Camille Andrews to prospective students.

May 20, 2012. LST called for the resignation of Dean Andrews

May 22, 2012. Insider Higher Ed published a story with a response from the dean of Rutgers – Camden, Rayman Solomon.

May 22, 2012. LST responds to Dean Solomon.

Late May. Dean Solomon commissions a report by three senior faculty members to be delivered to LST.

June 8, 2012. LST receives the faculty report from Rutgers — Camden.

June 11, 2012. LST does an open records request and eventually obtains records that confirm the faculty report and that the original email contained false statements in addition to misleading statements.

Table of Contents for Complaint

I. Misleading and False Statements
A. Employment Data
B. Responses by Rutgers – Camden to LST Allegations
C. Analysis
II. Aggravating Factors
III. Mitigating Factors
IV. Conclusion

New Alternative to U.S. News Law School Rankings

Today, Law School Transparency announces an alternative to the U.S. News law school rankings: The LST Score Reports.

LST has developed the Score Reports in an effort to produce a tool to help prospective students make application and enrollment decisions, keeping in mind that each person has a different risk tolerance, financial situation, and set of career aspirations.

The Score Reports are user-friendly tools for sorting law school employment outcomes, projected costs, and admissions stats. There is a Score Report for every state (includes only schools that place graduates there), every school (called a profile), and job types. They measure job outcomes, use a regional scope, and use real terms about the outcomes to allow prospective students to make an educated decision about not just which school to attend, but whether any school happens to meet their needs.

The Score Reports are not rankings, although they do serve as an alternative to conventional law school rankings. But unlike rankings, the Score Reports do not reduce complex data to a single metric. Instead, the Score Reports focus on observable relationships to specific legal markets and job types. Only a small handful of schools have a truly national reach in job placement. The rest have a regional, in-state, or even just local reach. A decision tool should not obfuscate this reality; it should embrace it.

You can view the Score Reports, and read more about them, by following these links:

The Score Reports:
Guide to Using the Score Reports:
The Value of the U.S. News rankings:
Methodology, Published in the Journal of Legal Metrics:

Founded in 2009, Law School Transparency is a nonprofit legal education policy organization dedicated to improving consumer information and to reforming the traditional law school model. LST and its administrators operate independently of any legal institutions, legal employers, or academic reports related to the legal market. The LST Score Reports are a new project from LST Reform Central.

TJSL Responses to Media Reports on Past Admin’s Admitted Fraud

Update: Added additional court filings by TJSL. See below.

Last week, we broke the news of a former employee of Thomas Jefferson School of Law, in a sworn testimony, admitting that she falsified data and alleging that she was instructed to do so by her direct supervisor. Since that time, TJSL has made a number of on-the-record responses to Karen Grant’s admission and allegations.

To the ABA Journal:

In an interview with the ABA Journal, Thomas Jefferson School of Law dean Rudy Hasl called the allegations a “crock of crap.”

To the National Law Journal:

Grant’s declaration not a smoking gun, Thomas Jefferson law dean Rudy Hasl said when asked about the statement. He reiterated the school’s position that it did nothing wrong.

“This is the action of a counsel desperate to find any hook to create embarrassment for Thomas Jefferson,” Hasl said.

To the Wall Street Journal:

Thomas Jefferson Dean Rudy Hasl said that the school presented accurate data about its graduates’ employment, and that ”no employee was every directed to falsify information.” The school also denies misleading students, saying it has always complied with reporting requirements.

On the TJSL website (but note that TJSL incorrectly indicates that 25 law schools have been sued — the correct number is 15):

Thomas Jefferson School of Law (TJSL) is one of over 25 law schools across the country that has been sued by a few former students who claim that their post-graduate employment opportunities were more limited than they were led to believe when they applied to attend law school. We believe that this litigation is meritless and will be decided in our favor.

Recent media accounts have drawn attention to a declaration filed last week in the litigation. In the declaration, an ex-employee of TJSL claims that six (6) years ago her former supervisor (who departed TJSL in 2007) instructed her to classify graduates as “employed” in reports to the National Association of Law Placement in cases where those students were employed at some point post-graduation, but were not employed on a specific reporting date. She does not specify how often this change in employment actually occurred.

Claims of false reporting are serious and we take them seriously. TJSL policy has always been to report accurate employment data, and the declaration is the first time the declarant, or anyone else, has made such an assertion.

By way of background, the declarant worked at TJSL only briefly in 2006 and 2007, without ever raising this issue to the Dean or senior staff. Moreover, we have also found no other document or witness who corroborates the declarant’s new contention.

Notably, TJSL was recently praised for the transparency of our publicly available placement data. See, e.g., (Law School Transparency lists TJSL as one of only six schools earning its “good” rating for transparency); see also (National Jurist giving TJSL an “A” grade and ranking the school in the top 15 law schools for transparency).

In sum, as we have consistently stated, we do not believe that there is any legitimate basis for this lawsuit. Accordingly, we will continue to vigorously defend TJSL against these meritless claims.

Updated Court Filings from TJSL

TJSL has passed on to us three of their filings in this case.